Betty Mahmoody Message Board
Babs posts on 5/20/2007 11:53:03 AM
what happened to Betty's daughter. Did her husband ever see either of them again?
civilengineer3 posts on 1/22/2007 1:10:15 AM
Thank you anonymous- I have been waiting to finally post my opinion to this book for 2 days now. I liked your post by the way. I agree I don't know if I would let a current or a future relationship pay for therapy for a past one- doesn't really seem like a good idea to me. Anyway (Maxine you are not going to like my post here). But I don't think that this book is sterotypical at all. I think it is Betty's facts, and opinions as she viewed them to be. I happen to agree with alot of her views on the Iranians as well. I do agree that they have little respect for woman kind, and that causes some of the men in that culture to be quite abusive. I am not prejudice. I know a few Iranian, Indian, and Pakastanie women who feel this way. Maxine, I know what you are going to say, again it is my opinion, and like Natalie I am allowed to express it. I am not saying that American men are wonderful. I am just saying I disagree with Maxine. I think Iranian men can be just as abusive, as any other race of men. And because of their cultural beliefs maybe more so. Just so you know Maxine, before you start something here, I am not going to debate my opinions, back and forth with you like Natalie did. That is my opinion and that is it, take it or leave it.
Anonymous posts on 1/21/2007 10:18:41 PM
Maxine, listen, just some thoughts. Do think it is a good idea that you allowed your boyfriend to pay for your therapy (especially when so much of it has to do with a past reationship)? That would really muddy the waters in the discernment process for me personally, and I would be afraid put undue pressure on my boyfriend.
civilengineer3 posts on 1/19/2007 9:26:44 AM
Maxine look, I really do not want to get involved in this, but since every one here seems to keep bringing my name up. Then I guess I will throw my two cents in. I think Natalie was very harsh. But I can't say I blame her. I mean it looks like she has been trying to express her opinion for 3 days now, and you keep telling her she is wrong. She does seem to be angry, but honestly I would be angry too if I wasn't being heard correctly. Even now you applaud myself and Anita for our handling our problem, and then go on to insult her, and apologize to her all at the same time. You even go so far as to almost accuse her of child abuse. Let me say on my behalf I think you are way out of line on that comment. I think you owe her an apology, that is a serious accusation to make. I am a teacher I know I see it all the time. I must say I had planned to mind my own business until I read that, and it was just so over the line I had to respond. I am not intending to be mean. But, just because your husband abused you, doesn't give you the right to analyze someone else's anger as abuse. I teach my 2nd graders that anger is healthy, it is an emotion that is you are allowed to have. It is what you do with your anger that counts. You don't know what she does with hers, so don't put that kind of label on it. Some of the comments that you make leave me wondering if maybe you need the therapy not Natalie. Particularly regarding the control issues you seem to have. Having to get the last word, passive aggressiveness (like apologizing and then insulting her), and addressing the post to myself and Anita, but talking about her, your need to keep goating her to respond to you. You even accuse her of not having a masters degree. What's next are you going to accuse me of not being a teacher? Truthfully, when you said that it just sounded like you were jealous, not that you really think she is lying. You said that you are not jumping down her throat, but it seems to me like you are. I am not saying that she didn't jump down your throat, but it sounds to me like you are trying to make yourself a victim on these posts, and well quite frankly from what I have read you aren't! I think she was just trying to pass an opinion, and it offended you, you both exchanged harsh words, but now it should be over, and you seem to be the one to keep it going. Now, you seem to be taking it to a whole new level. I guarentee that you are going to respond to me, and from the looks of it probably nasty. If Natalie posts again you will respond to her too. Atleast, Anita was an adult enough to apologize, mean it, and end it. It seems to me that the 19 year old is more mature. Look, I don't want to sound like a mother Hen here, maybe it's because I am a teacher, and I listen to this stuff all day long. But, I gotta say you guys are starting to remind me of my 2nd graders. I mean are you guys just going to keep this going forever. You say something, so she says something, and on and on it will go. Natalie is right, all this posting like this takes away the fun for everyone else. I came on here again to try, once again to post my opinion on the book, and I got caught up in all of this nonsense here after I said I wasn't going to. Maxine, on behalf of all us other posters, apologize to Natalie for the out of line abuse comment, and STOP POSTING to her, just let it go. We are tired of this conversation just let it go.
Maxine posts on 1/19/2007 6:03:44 AM
Anita - you are absolutely correct. It is not worth our time. Bottom line - Natalie has issues that she has to learn to deal with. I highly doubt that she has a masters degree in Psychology. If she did, you would think she would be the first to realize that she needs help. I don't hate her. I pity her. She is a very sad person.
Anita posts on 1/19/2007 1:41:35 AM
Natalie why are you so mean? Why are you attacking Maxine because she has an opinion that's different from yours? Everybody has the right to their own opinion. Anyways I think this should stop. Maxine I know your probably frustrated, but you know what? It's not worth it. No matter how much you apologize I doubt Natalie will stop attacking you. I think she enjoys jumping down people's throat. You'll probably just encourage her by attacking her. Even an apology won't get through her thick head. I m sorry to every other posters, especially civil if I offended any of you. Sorry.
natalie posts on 1/18/2007 11:44:47 PM
Anita I not only applied, but I have been there and done that, and have a Masters Degree in psychology to show for it. I work all day but, I can ask you the same question since you always seem to be so quick to know what everyone has posted, and give a response. Thank you Cara, and Civilengineer. It is nice to know that I am not the only one who thinks that these two are out of line, and out of touch. I am glad you both posted I think the others on this page who think they so superior and correct- needed a lesson to know that they are not correct. I appologize to you and any other posters who stumbles upon this page, thinking that they can either blog about the book or engage in banter. Unfortunately, due to a select few they have taken the fun out of the blogging experience, and it is no longer a place to blog about literary comments. People must be shocked at the level of immaturity, ridiculousness, and inane bickering that is occuring. It has become a racial, and verbal assault center. I could not agree with you more Civilengineer when you said you did not want to get in the middle of whatever is going on here. Do not get brought in to the insanity like I did. This started with me disagreeing with Maxine, and some how, not really sure how, but Anita got in the middle of it. From there is snowballed into a three day war. Beware, do not post if your opinion differs from Maxine and Anita's. They will not allow you to post your opinion. They only believe in freedom of speech, as long as you agree with them. As far as I am concerned Maxine is like Rosie O'Donnell, she will turn anything you say into a fight. Even if you agree with her. They will attack you, it doesn't matter that they do not know what they are talking about. These two women have nothing better to do than sit at the posters all day long, and respond about nothing at all. Maxine dosen't even believe in what she is spewing she is just arguing for the sake of arguing. I can respect somebody's opinion when they respect mine, and legitimately want to discuss things. That is not these two women. It is ashame, that bullying the posters is the only way they can apparently interact with others. I wouldn't mind their insane drivel if any of it either made any sense, or was at least educationally or socially accurate. Maxine claims to be a victim of emotional abuse by her ex-husband. So, perhaps her cyber bullying is just a manifestation of what her husband did to her, and instead of taking it out on him, she is taking it out on innocent posters. So, Maxine is this the end of your insanity or are there any more jems of wisdom you wish to enlighten us with. Are we finally through or is this going to continue another three days. All, I can say is I hope you grow up Maxine, and get a clue before it is too late.
Maxine posts on 1/18/2007 10:40:52 PM
To Civilengineer and Anita - the way that you have debated is the correct way, through respect and dignity. When one person is out of line and is called on it, and then that person apologizes, that is the adult way to handle it.
We do not jump down Natalie's throat. From her very first post, she was attacking me personally, and then she attacked Anita for defending me. I suspect that Natalie has deep seeded problems and she needs a target to unleash her hostility. I really do not care that she has chosen me. I would much rather have her take her anger out on me than say her child.
I apologize to her for anything out of line I have said. I suspect that she will not do the same due to her many problems. I hope that she gets therapy because I think she is in need of it. I know what it is like to be that angry. I was, for a long time, angry at my husband for his abuse. It was the loving support of my boyfriend, who helped pay for my therapy out of his own pocket, because he wanted to see me healed. Perhaps Natalie does not have somebody who loves her enough to help her. I really do not know. If she does not, I feel bad for her. It was upsetting for me to read her anti-Iranian comments and stereotypes because my boyfriend is nothing like that. Furthermore, many other Iranians are not like that. This has been my message from the beginning and she has taken umbrage for it. She started attacking me from day one.
A message to Natalie - I have been out of line in some of the things I said. I apologize. I hope for your sake that you can find help for your anger because at the end of the day, the person you are hurting is you.
civilengineer3 posts on 1/18/2007 6:06:01 PM
Thankyou Anita I appreciate the kindness. Bare in mind I am 58, and things were taught differently when I was a child. I am a 2nd grade teacher so I don't teach the continents, but when I originally learned them- that is how I did. Maybe things have changed overtime. I am sorry as well if I was nasty myself. I was just afraid that I was going to get swept up in what ever is going on on here. Thanks you again
Anonymous posts on 1/18/2007 6:01:07 PM
I had a bad experience with a mideastern owner of a hotel, charging for everything, even to look at his map that was on the wall (because he wanted me to spend $2 on the copy he had behind the desk). No, I did not get into a confrontation, I just did not stay there the next time we traveled. It was if he really did not respect too much about Americans, just here to get money. I found his particular attitude rude.It seemed he was had no sense of what "community". was.Has anyone else had that experience?
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