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posts on 6/21/2006 6:44:20 PM
After reading about the co-writer I checked Tropic of Night out of the local library. If it is the best Gruber can do by himself, I feel sorry for him.
posts on 6/21/2006 3:57:19 PM
In resolved the head of the DA's Sexual Assault of whatever it is is named Laura Rachman. In Fury the department head is Rachel Rachman. Could this be because Michael Gruber ghostwrote resolved and Tanenbaum had to write Fury alone and didn't check??? Interesting. I have read them all and I continue to enjoy them but I agree with Dave Robinson that they have lost some of their luster without Gruber.
posts on 5/28/2006 8:20:43 PM
I'm a great fan of this series. I bought "Hoax" when it first came out, and I was appalled at how bad it was. I later learned of the ghostwriter issue.
"Fury" is due to come out in paperback this month, so I thought I'd re-read "Hoax" just to see if maybe I was wrong, and it was better than I thought.
I was not wrong. "Hoax" is dreadful. The characters are completely different; the complex nuances in the relationships and the conflicts between Butch and Marlene, Marlene and Lucy are both oversimplified, generalized, cliched and WRONG; the plot is full of holes, and the book seriously needs fact-checking.
In addition, it's some of the worst writing I've ever read in a published work. While reading it, I wished I'd had the ability to edit it! The plot is full of holes, and the style, which includes flashbacks, flashbacks within flashbacks, and endlessly boring sections of exposition every time a new character is introduced, is clumsy and makes it confusing. The most thrilling episodes are rendered powerless because most of them are related as a memory or reminiscence.
How could Tanenbaum ruin such a promising series?
posts on 5/16/2006 1:25:47 AM
St. Theresa of Avila was a saint but she was not a "mystic" God visited her with "intellectual visions and locutions". She began receiving visions, and was examined by Dominicans and Jesuits, including Saint Francis Borgia, who pronounced the visions to be holy and true. She was a Carmalite nun in the 15 century. So the book is correct in a sense since a martyr is one who is a "faithful witness" or one who dies of the faith.
posts on 5/15/2006 2:12:53 PM
1. Re the Alice Martin post on 8/26/2005 : the first novel is "No Lesser Plea" - Marlene loses her eye in that one.
2. Re the Peg the Reader post on 7/29/2005: all of the novels prior to "Hoax" were written in collaboration with Michael Gruber. Tanenbaum and Gruber parted ways before "Hoax" and the books' quality after that have fallen off enormously. Gruber is now writing under his own name and has published "Tropic of Night", "Valley of Bones", and "Night of the Jaguar", all of which contain the best qualities of the early Karp novels.
avid fan posts on 3/15/2006 9:10:11 AM
In reading the summary for Hoax, it says something about Lucy's rape.
I gave my copy away when I finished it so I can't reference it. But I don't rember reading that she was raped, I know she was kidnapped and taken into the tunnel. Can any one quote the scene or outline it for me. Thanks
Stephen Manners posts on 3/3/2006 10:40:31 AM
I started reading Fury and had to stop because it was giving me so much info about previous books I won't be able to read them with enjoyment.
I stopped and have started reading Enemy Within and it isn't telling me nearly so much about previous stories.
If I had finished Fury I don't think I'd have gone back to read earlier ones.
Rachele posts on 2/28/2006 3:14:07 PM
You have to read all of the books in order to get the meaning of Butch and Marlene's relationship and how things happened to Marlene. I have read every single one of his books in order and it can be confusing if you read out of order. Of course you can read out of order since that is what will prompt you to go and get the other books that came out before the one you just read. All of them are wonderful reads and I cannot wait for his next novel this summer 20006.
Legal Pistol 675 posts on 2/21/2006 10:01:11 AM
I am enjoying Hoax and its depiction of the 'job' however there are a few glaring errors.
1. St Theresa of Avila was not a Martyr she was a 15th/16th Century Spanish Mystic.
2. The Hmong were never involved with any US ground forces during the war in Vietnam. US ground forces, LURPs and Special Forces, were working with the Montagnards of the Central Highlands of (South)Vietnam.
However, we were heavily involved with the Hmong of Laos until 1975.
Sam Eleanor posts on 8/27/2005 3:37:22 PM
I just finished Justice Denied. It has Butch going to Berkeley and get his knee messed up while still in college. I thought he went to Duke and made it to the pros before getting the knee injury. Which one is it?
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