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Lena posts on 5/5/2008 7:46:46 PM The premise of the Gemini series is about a mother who has twins, and has many New Age beliefs, and claims to see spirits and stuff. When one of here twins dies, she forces the girl twin to take on his identity. It was WAY out there [in a bad way], and I didn't like it one bit. Regarding Annie and Luke, Jr.'s relationship in GOP, I think it could have been handled better. It just wasn't a believable romance, though it could have been if some changes had been made. I was upset that Heaven died. I really wanted her alive and so we could at least see her tell Annie the truth, versus her find out from just Tony and Troy. I'm currently reading Into The Woods. I'm at the part where Jackie Lee begins dating Winston. It's been OK so far, just a little boring. Is the De Beers series stuck in time? It appears so. So about Cathy, she wasn't a necessarily different person in POTW, just a traumatized person. I didn't like Chris. Did anybody else think he was annoying?
Christopher posts on 5/5/2008 4:44:40 PM Dear Lena I am 30. Dear Ashley I agree that Cathy seemed like two different people in FITA she was so courageous and caring for everyone, but in POTW she was a different person. I felt the most sorry for Carrie as it was very hard for her to deal with the horror of their situation. Poor Cory would never leave the attic. His song Gonna See the Sun was so sad because he never would. My heart stops just thinking about it. Chriss feeling towards Cathy were not disgusting; their relationship was the result of a very close bond formed in extreme circumstances. After their first few nights at Pauls house it was clear they were fated because only they could truly understand what the other had endured. They both knew no matter how wonderful a person they met on the outside they would never be able to bond in the same way. Cathys possible pregnancy is one of the examples of VCAs genius. The greatest fear is not knowing. As a result many of the Dollanganger questions were never answered. This is true for some of the other series as well. I have read those scenes again and again; clearly VCA never wanted anyone to know for sure either way. Would Paul be able to lie and lie for his whole life? He loved Cathy so much he may have taken that dark secret to the grave to spare her pain. One of the most telling scenes is when Cathy wakes up in the hospital and Chris is holding her hand. For the first time Paul looks at them with concern. Jenny and I once debated that Cathys pregnancy would be revealed during Pauls initial physical examine. Jenny said it would be unknown unless Paul specifically tested her. I argued there would be some signs in basic blood and urine tests even without a specific pregnancy test. It seems we all agree that GOP is one of the most gratuitous books in any series. Siblings Annie Jr. and Luke Jr. fall in love. Why? Killing off Heaven and Logan to simply focus on new characters was pointless just like the killings of Dawn and Jimmy. The character focus could have been changed without their deaths. Then we go through the routine girl being tortured in a mansion b her grandparent. The only positive quality was Fannys transformation. While I hated her with a vengeance for all the troubles she caused, Heavens continued generosity seemed to bring her around. I was intrigued by the SHADOWS series and am enjoying BROKEN FLOWER. BF seems to be very surreal like MY SWEET AUDRINA. Their world is almost a dark fairytale. What is the premise of the GEMINI series?
Ashley posts on 5/2/2008 4:56:32 PM Yeah I think out of a lot of people I am the only person who liked the Gemini series... but oh well. I didn't like any of the series after Gemini... The April Shadows one and Broken Flower.



Lena posts on 5/1/2008 11:30:58 PM Well considering Heaven: She assumed Jillian and Tony would pay for her college education because Luke said she would live with them. And so she thought that they would pay for her college if she was going to live there... I didn't like in POTW either. At times I had to force myself to like her. The Gemini series was cr*p.
Ashley posts on 5/1/2008 9:55:56 PM I liked Heaven but I thought she was a little selfish. When she went to her grandparents (which it turns out Tony was her father, but that's later) she automatically assumes that they would pay for her college education. Jillian mentioned that she was there for a visit in the limo and she was upset because she automatically assumed she would just live with them and they would put her through college. It isn't until later in the book that she discusses it with Tony. As for the Gemini Series, I really didn't mind it too much until Child of Darkness. But I like New Age stuff so maybe that's why I liked reading about a family interested in it. Plus it was disturbing how a mother could force her daughter to live her twin's identity. Although, I thought that boy and girl twins couldn't be identical...? I've read a lot of the posts concerning Flowers in the Attic Series. In a way I really didn't like Cathy. When she was in the Attic I did but in the next book Petals in the Wind I didn't. It's good to have confidence in yourself but she was obsessed with her beauty. She used to her advantage too. I honestly felt bad for Julian, even if he was abusive. He loved her but she didn't love him until it was too late. Then there was Bart... I found that she was quite rude to him when they first started seeing each other. If someone sent me all those flowers I think I would be flattered! Chris disgusted me. He made Cathy feel guilty about wanting other men and thought it was right what they had between them. He kept pursuing her even after they left the attic. I can understand why he wanted her in the attic, he was going through puberty and she was the only available female and she was beautiful. I felt bad for Carrie and kept hoping things would end up right for her. When she met Alex I was so excited only to read on later that she commits suicide. I felt bad for Cory the most though. He only had five years of childhood and then ends up dying. He never experiences freedom. He had talent and could have gone far with it. Remember when Amanda, Paul's sister said that Cathy miscarried? Well Paul later says she didn't. Does anyone believe she really did miscarry the babies she and Chris made together that night in the attic? They were twins that didn't separate. I don't believe Paul kept it though, I believe his story that it was a joke.
Lena posts on 5/1/2008 7:23:26 PM Hah, I suppose. Well, I'm only just-turned 13, so you know. Anyway, GOP was just like you said: forced to make things fit. It was forced anyway, and I don't think VCA actually meant for it to be written. It's the publisher's call, after all. A lot of it disappointed me, and the ending was so rushed. And it annoyed me how Annie acted like a twelve year old. She was at Farthy for only a week [so many missed opportunities *rolls eyes*]! And she kept whining and complaining about every little detail. I know her parents died a she was crippled and all, but jeez, have a little spine.
Jenny posts on 5/1/2008 2:51:06 PM H i Lena. Well he has said before how old he is and I forget but by his posts I would guess he is under 18 and also possibly a girl. Mainly due to some of the comments he makes. Quite immature and the sort of thing a teenager would say, not an adult. He only seems to see the obvious in the books and cannot see the deeper meaning in the actions of the character. He doesnt empathise with any of them as an adult would. As for GOP, I agree with you there. I think there was huge potential but a lot of things were left unanswered and things were added in an attempt to make things fit.
Lena posts on 4/30/2008 7:21:22 PM I also have absolutely no comment. Does anybody else think Gates of Paradise had a lot of wasted potential? I'm not going to elaborate until someone replies. Jenny: Older? How old do you think Christopher even is?
Jenny posts on 4/30/2008 4:27:12 AM Absolutely no comment. We will just have to agree to disagree on this one. As you get older you will see it more clearly.
Christopher posts on 4/29/2008 3:40:07 PM Does anyone really believe Julians actions were the result of an infatuation with Cathy? He was promiscuous and abusive before he even married her. If some other unfortunate girl had married Julian his actions would have been the same. He only cared about himself. Cathys true love for Chris and Paul was just Julians excuse. Did he want ALL of Cathys attention when he spent the night with someone else. Cathy gave him everything she could. She left another fiancé for him, sacrificed her career, put up with his infidelity, and moved away from her family just to please him. Julians actions were not the result of Cathy, they were the result of Julian. As for Cathy using Julian I agree, no one forced Cathy to marry him. She just wanted the benefits of being married to him, not the responsibility, she also used Julian to punish Paul whom she was angry with, rather than simply TALKING with Paul and giving him a chance to explain. Indeed Cathy is to blame for more troubles than Julian. Neithers bad behavior excuses or justifies the others. I agree that Cathy used Paul but not in the same way as you. Cathy slept with Paul simply to as she said set Chris free. Paul did not regret getting used for sex, he said his perverted memories of his ballerina were all he needed. But when Paul wanted marriage Cathy really took advantage of the situation. She should have TALKED to him about how she still truly loved Chris. I disagree that she used Paul towards the end of his life. She was certainly not destitute she could have run away with Chris but instead she married the invalid Paul to make him happy his last years on earth. I did think Paul was a great guy, but Cathy truly loved Chris. Dear Virginia. I am 100 pages into BROKEN FLOWER and it is captivating. Pretty disturbing even by my standards that the heroine is only six! I frankly think she is way too young to get involved with her 13 year old brother. Please do not spoil the rest for me. I really loved WEB OF DREAM it was by far the best of the CASTEEL books. It was amazing to see how different things were that what I had pictured. I expected her marriage to Luke Casteel to be the beginning of the horror but instead it was the beginning of her salvation. I cried for the last 150 pages. It was so amazing how poor Leigh went from the most unfortunate soul on the planet to the center of a fairytale so fast. It also took us back to the opening scene in HEAVEN when Grandma Annie explains to Heaven why her father became such a horrible person. Leighs tragic death utterly destroyed the whole family. Image just how differently the Casteel world would have been had Leigh lived. Dear Alba. Heaven certainly made some mistakes in life. Mistakes like Cathys that can only be described as INSANE as they were not selfish because they made her miserable as well. Yes, why leave the teaching job to go back to Boston. By now she should know that visiting the Tathertons would only result in misery. And then reunion with Troy. She should have been angry that he put her through all that misery and focused on Logan, her husband. She should know that money did not equal happiness. That is one thing I find odd about these books. The heroines meet an evil rich family only to become rich themselves. Corrine and Christopher and Leigh and Luke were able to find happy lives without money. But I still liked Heaven as a person because she did a lot of good.
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