Jean M. Auel Message Board
Anne Hennessy posts on 2/24/2013 10:13:12 AM
I read a good portion of The Sacred Mountain before “tossing” it aside with disgust. The person who wrote this obviously did little of his own research into actual prehistory or archeology. He instituted Christian-Judeo beliefs onto these people thousands of years before the birth of Jesus. He could have gotten a better idea of the traditions of these ancient people by studying the traditions of Native Americans, a group of people who would be more closely associated with ancient peoples in customs. Having grown up among Yakama Indians and studied Native American History in college, I have come to know that “keeping one’s virginity for marriage” is considered odd and that “babies happen”. Babies were always welcome into the tribe whether the parents were “married” or not, simply because they replaced those members who had died either naturally or by accident or in disputes with other tribes. It was important that there should be a certain number of people in their tribes simply for the tribe to survive. Sex was just part of everyday living – you did it because it felt good and you did it with someone you liked or loved. Although most mated couples kept to each other, it was not (and still is not) uncommon for unmated people to enjoy sex.
The ideas expressed by the author in “The Sacred Mountain” are those of western European, Christian white men and not based on the reality of the time. Jean Auel had it right in showing that sex was indiscriminate, completely acceptable, and considered NORMAL behavior. Only forced sex was unacceptable, as it still is with Native American tribes today. Native peoples have more respect for their women than whites, there is no doubt about it, and always have.
Writers need to understand that doing research is tantamount to presenting an accurate view of any subject. Never just “assume” something is a certain way and never try to rewrite the facts to suit your world-view.
Ann Onomous posts on 2/24/2013 1:56:29 AM
I guess I hated LOPC much less than most people. For me it just had no journey. Ayla changed so little in the story line that it could have been done in a short-story format. As for the cave descriptions that everyone is complaining about, Jean did spend a lot of time going through the caves in France. Why would it come as a surprise that she would make them a large part of the story, especially when Painted Caves is in the title? I found the lack of sex in this book a refreshing relief. I almost threw down Mammoth Hunters because of endless descriptions of penis and vagina scenes including the descriptions of the taste of semen. I know that most folks like the fluffy love stories and for them, that is fine. Look to Romance novels. As far as seeing Durk again, that would be unfathomable. The Clan does not travel that kind of distance for so little reason, besides Durk has been told that his mama is dead. On the other end, Ayla would not travel back there. It was stated numerous times that she was done with long journeys, at least on purpose. Ms. Auel has done extensive archeological research to be able to bring the life-style of ice-age people to an interesting story. It is enough of a reach that Ayla and Jondalar spread ten thousand years of advancement into a single ten year time-span. I am talking in terms of iron pyrite for starting fires, domestication of horses and canine, advancement of flint knaping, not to mention the spear-thrower. Then when one considers the spread of this knowledge across half of the continent of Europe, like I said ten-thousand years. Jean has made a good share of the journey that she described in Plains. If you do not believe me, just follow the path on Google Earth as I have done. There are few, if any discrepancies. The maps showing the land areas are probably one of the biggest mistakes that she made. Sea-level would have been about one to two hundred feet lower with all of the ice on land in the form of glaciers. Even the continent of Atlantis before it sank. What I would in-vision as a continuation of this story would be for the main characters to move West and move the same technology to the Americas. After all the solutrian point in Europe is thought to be very close to the Clovis point found in North America, along with a version of the spear thrower. For those who do not know, the people who came from Asia across the land bridge used bladelet points, small chips of flint set in bone, resembling a serrated knife. To me that would be MUCH more plausible than for them to head back to see Durk two-thousand miles to the East. That would be a regression. No-one except Jean Auel wrote the story, so it is hers to tell. If it does not meet with my approval, so what! She does not owe me one jot or tittle. I owe her for a journey that I shared with an enthralling character in Ayla. If others want to appear as ingrates, so be it. I may disagree with some of the story, but it is Jean that told the story, not me, not you. Just be happy that she wrote Clan in the first place! Ann
Candace Giger posts on 1/4/2013 10:40:21 PM
I'm reading The Sacred Mountain right now, and I agree that it should have been the next book. I, too, was very, very disappointed in Ms Auel's book, in that it just didn't live up to the promise of the rest of them. I think this guy has writen the end of the series very, very well. Hope he can get published.
Alain Dufresne posts on 12/19/2012 10:46:04 AM
Can't beleive a seventh book is in the works! As far as I'm concerned, her sixth one is not even completed yet: what a boring, tedious and repetitive reading. Was the book edited by a profesionnal writer? I doubt it. What a disappointment!
Beth1 posts on 12/13/2012 2:58:27 PM
For Emma who asked about published fanfic. Many of the Jane Austen fanfic sites have authors who systematically publish their books. There is even a website at Amazon that lists them. As for COTCB fanfic, I know it's possible, but I don't know if there are any out there. Easy enough to find out, though.
Mcole posts on 12/13/2012 2:52:51 AM
I'm reading the second earth's children book, Valley of Horses. I'm curious about how much new science was influential in Ms Auel's continuing series, including the cave paintings discovered in France in '94(cave of forgotten dreams; Herzog) Jean, did you find any new path beyond your knowledge when you had set out to write Clan of the Cave Bear, other than greater writing experience in this unusual genre?
kracine posts on 11/13/2012 10:30:33 PM
Just finished reading the FanFic Ayla the saga continues. I really liked it. Clever way she brought Durc and Ayla back together - I even cried a little. Not quite as good as The Sacred Mountain, but well worth the read! Check it out.
Sandy posts on 11/13/2012 7:25:15 PM
Ed, I read the one you are talking about and enjoyed it very much. It was good that Alya got to meet with Durc. I also liked that she was also instramental in getting the people to accept the Clan better.
Ed posts on 11/9/2012 8:38:30 PM
Emma, I am quite sure the FanFiction stories are only avaiable on line.
emma posts on 11/9/2012 2:44:06 PM
Are the fan fic stories only to be found on line, or are they possibly in paperback?
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