Aline Countess of Romanones Message Board
Angela posts on 5/12/2011 1:02:32 AM
How interesting, Edgar. Now, see how relatively easy it was to figure out that the two balls were one and the same? That just proves to me why the Countess had to be so clever and careful in disguising other details of the book. If she only uses a thin veil to keep the book quote nonfiction, end quote, imagine how easy it would be for our prying minds to crack all of the codes.
Anita posts on 5/12/2011 12:49:57 AM
Edgar: Your comments are enlightening.
Thank you for sharing them, and I also thank you for answering my question, telling me it was Sotheby's of Geneva. That is interesting, indeed. A good place to take them to Auction.
Edgar posts on 5/11/2011 8:02:55 PM
Here is a bit of trivia. In the book Whims of Fortune, the autobiography of the Baron Guy de Rothschild there is an interesting detail revealed. As we know, the Baron and Baroness de Rothschild were well know for their lavish parties. The Baron speaks of two of those balls in his book. One ball, known as the Proust Ball took place Nov/Dec of 1971 and the Surrealist Ball took place Dec. 12, 1972. Now lets look at the facts. In the book(the spy went dancing) the Countess states that the ball was in 1966 attended by the Duke and Duchess of Windsor. The ball she recounts is exactly the same ball that the Baron Guy recounts as the Surrealist ball in 1972. You can even see pictures of this ball in both the Barons book and the book by the Countess. The Duke of Windsor died 5/28/72, therefore could not have attended the Surrealist ball. Also, he was on cobalt treatments for months and very doubtful if he was in attendance of the Proust ball. My point, the Countess has changed many facts with truth. I'm OK with this. She states in the front of all of her books that dates and people are changed. It really boils down to rather you like her works or not. And each is certainly entitled to their own opinion.
Edgar posts on 5/10/2011 7:45:40 PM
I read it to be Sotheby's when I looked at the jewels. Angela, great comments. LOVE this forum, such emotion!
Angela posts on 5/10/2011 7:04:07 PM
Robert and Pepita, I know I don't only speak for myself when I say that I do appreciate your opinion and input. In response to your post, I can only say this- With every fiber of my being, I believe that whatever Aline has written about Edmundo, and anyone else for that matter, for whatever reason, she only had the best intentions. For privacy, for protection, for continuity of story, but never to degrade or mislead. I seriously don't think that anyone who has read her books came to the conclusion that Edmundo was anyone but a great human being, and that is the bottom line. I know that the problem you have is with the nonfiction label, but honestly, is there really such a thing as pure nonfiction? Especially in espionage?
Robert Huddleston posts on 5/10/2011 2:01:04 PM
Knowing what I say will have no impact I and my wife Pepita are compelled to respond to Roseanne's message of May 5.
In The Spy Wore Red, Aline's first fictional memoir, she writes that she first learned of Edmundo Lassalle's 1974 death in 1984 from the character Pierre. In The Spy Went Dancing published in 1987, she writes that she had teamed-up with Edmundo as CIA agents in Paris in 1966 to out a Soviet mole in NATO. This is in Chapter 26. She then shifts Edmundo's death in 1974 to 1966 brought about by the KGB. This is on page 375. As a matter of fact Pepita visited her father in New York City at that time and knows that he was not in Paris nor did he have an apartment in London as Aline states. As for Pepita not knowing that her father was a CIA agent in 1966 or at any other time, we have tried through the Freedom Of Information Act to pry this out of the CIA but to no avail. We do know,however, that the Paris caper as published by Aline just doesn't jell with available facts.
Somewhat related is that I was in Paris on official business at that time and was briefed at NATO Headquarters. My Official Passport was stamped quote Orly Airport May 1, 1966 unquote. While in Paris I had dinner with an American diplomat I had met in Washington and who later was revealed as being a CIA officer. I called him when The Spy Went Dancing came out and he noted it had no bearing on reality.
To Mark M. Mark, I'm too old to continue this but I hope you carry on the campaign for more honest memoirs.
Anita posts on 5/10/2011 10:58:12 AM
Edgar, your comments are appreciated and I believe you have got it correct about how the properties in Spain get split after the spouse is deceased.
Also, no one really wants to keep out-dated looking Jewelry pieces. They would just sit in a lock box or drawer somewhere.
My question has not been answered that I asked about in a post recently: Was the Jewelry sold through Sotheby's in Geneva? Do you happen to know?
Edgar posts on 5/9/2011 11:01:40 PM
It's my understanding that there has been considerable downsizing for the Countess. As is customary in Spain, when the husband dies, the property is split in half. The wife gets one half and the other half is split among the children. Throughout the years, I am not sure, but the New York apartment has been sold as well as the Marbella property. Also Centro Asegurador, the business her husband was president of, suffered several large financial setbacks. Numerous recent entries and articles on the Countess state that she spends her time between her home in Madrid and her estate, Pascualete. Certainly, I agree, she is not destitute. The jewelry that I looked I saw listed on the internet looks dated. And would be better off auctioned now rather than later. I think it's probably just a sensible house cleaning.
Anita posts on 5/9/2011 10:41:17 PM
Gee Angela you and me both, as I would not mind having one of her cigarette cases! Unfortunately I still smoke!
I think that maybe she has saved some of her fine jewelery for her grandaughters, and feels the need for whatever reasons to sell the rest. It doesn't mean she needs the money. I do know that She does have 4 residences: NYC,Madrid,Marabella,and Pascualete, plus the other fincas and other properties, plus other business interests. She has 3 sons who I suspect contribute to the maintaining of these places especially if they use them as well. The fincas probably pay for themselves plus some.
Angela posts on 5/9/2011 8:57:36 PM
I didn't know the Countess had so many properties. I guess I figured she had her flat in New York, her home in Marbella, and her ancient finca , Pascualete, but that was it. In any case, that has to be incredibly expensive to maintain. Who knows, maybe she's selling some jewelry just because she has no use for it anymore and the money isn't an issue. I would love to own a piece of her jewelry. Heck, I'd love to own anything of hers. Oooh, how about a cigarette lighter from her early spy days? Imagine the places it would have been.
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