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Alba posts on 4/27/2008 8:50:55 AM
I re-read Fallen Hearts last week and I have to say the more I read the Casteel books, the less I like Heaven. Does anyone else find her really arrogant in the later books? I know she had a hard life and struggled against the odds to do well but the way she just assumes she should take care of Drake and some of the things she says about she isn't surprised that Fanny is jealous of her really annoyed me. I know Fanny was a mixed up, horrible person but I don't actually think Heaven was that nice either as she continually looked down on people! And why did she leave her teaching job to be a rich man's wife in Winnerow if it had meant so much to her?
Lena posts on 4/26/2008 7:58:20 PM
I honestly didn't like Paul. I didn't like how Cathy ran out on him. But why did he have to send Carrie to boarding school? After she lived her whole school-aged life in an attic, he sends her away from the only people who love her to be tormented! And that was part of the reason she committed suicide later on. In my opinion, he did it to be with Cathy. You know the rest. But yes, Julian was a bit worse, the way he cheated and didn't let Cathy go to Chris's graduation.
Alba posts on 4/26/2008 7:09:27 AM
Oooh good question Lena! I think Julian was worse but I agree Cathy used him. To be honest it's Paul I feel the most sorry for because he loved and supported her all along despite Cathy turning her back on him (after claiming she loved him) to marry Julian to further her dancing career. Then when she was in trouble with two small children and no money she married him! User!
Lena posts on 4/25/2008 9:16:09 PM
I don't really have any time to post so I can't say much. But what I can say is, no matter what Julian did to Cathy, she USED him. He loved here and abused her. She, on the other hand, didn't love him at all, but married him because of how far he could get her in her career. She realized she loved him when it was too late. Which is worse? Cathy or Julian?
Virginia posts on 4/25/2008 8:55:56 PM
Chris asked if anyone out there had read Broken Flower. I did and it is all right but not one of the best ones. It is a book about the relationship of a sister and brother. Have you ever read Web of Dreams? That is a good one.
Anonymous posts on 4/25/2008 3:57:44 PM
Just read the posts below and I have to say I didn't think Julian was completely evil. He was selfish yes, jealous and controlling. But when you look at his own messed up relationship with his parents you begin to understand why when he found someone he loved (Cathy) he didn't want her out of his sight. I'm not saying it was a healthy relationship at all and I'm certainly not saying he was a nice man but his need to be loved was so strong that he couldn't bear to see Cathy with anyone else - hence him banning her from seeing Chris and Paul.
Yes he was a sex fiend and cheated on her but I do think deep down he loved her but knew that he would only ever come second or third in her list of priorities after her family and dancing, causing him to lash out when he wanted ALL of her attention.
Christopher posts on 4/22/2008 9:11:41 PM
Caitey we do talk about the books from time to time. I am 40 pages into CELESTE and it is agonizing. Where is Neiderman going with this series? The writing is very incoherent. I am about to give up and start the BROKEN FLOWER series. What are your thoughts on CELESTE and BROKEN FLOWER? Dear Virginia you are right. VCA is not endorsing incest. Some of the incestuous relationships are the result of intense situations, but some are clearly very wrong and unhealthy. Take for example Cary and his twin sister Laura Logan. Neither were bad people but their relationship was clearly unhealthy. Laura was too horrified by her brothers infatuation to really talk with him and explain to him that they could not be together and he should find someone else as she had. I do not blame Laura for being too frightened since that is a talk no one wants to have. Laura did try to help Cary somewhat by showing him that Robert was a good guy and she did not need to be protected from him. Ruby Landry and Paul just tortured themselves and each other. Neither of them seemed to have the determination to honestly talk about whether they should be together or not. If they had I think they could have stayed together or moved on. Jenny is right, we will never see level on some issues but do you honestly think that being with Julian or Bart made Cathy happy? Julians violence did harm her. Her pursuit of Bart was not based on love or even happiness. It was based on hate and revenge. Your statement that Bart loved Cathy because she looked like Corrine proves my point. Bart wanted a younger more attractive woman for sex. He did not want Corrine. He only wanted her money. When Bart was raping or in your opinion passionately making love to Cathy did he think about how much he loved Corrine? Julians violence is an odd way of showing how much he loved Cathy with all his heart. Julian was violent with her before they were even married or suspected her love for Chris. That was just his and his mothers excuse. Julian would have treated any woman the same way because he could only love himself. You ask how I would feel if I knew I rated far behind her brother. I would act like Paul did. I would be loving and understanding rather than violent. And I certainly would not molest my wifes 12 year old sister. Paul knew he would never be number one but he optimistically hoped his marriage to Cathy would make her happy in some ways which why his dying wish was for Cathy to be happy and marry Chris.
Jenny posts on 4/22/2008 5:15:50 PM
Precisely. A Point that someone finds hard to understand.
Virginia posts on 4/22/2008 11:42:28 AM
I just wanted to say that I believe that it is wrong to think that VC wrote about incest to "tittilate" anyone. In fact the opposite seems to be true. I think that she was attempting to show that incest could happen but that it is a haunting choice to make one that traps a person into lies. To my understanding she simply shows us how the relationship evolves between Chris and Cathy. I don't believe that she is condoning "incest" as the right path. It's simply the path these two seemed to be forced in ways to take. That is after all the reason the books haunt us and keep us haunted, I think.?
Jenny posts on 4/16/2008 4:46:08 AM
Christopher. I will reply to 2 things and then give up cos we clearly see things differently. Which is called having an opinion, which is good! Julian...he loved Cathy with all his heart but always knew he came a very long third in her affections. She could be nasty to him too and she was. He knew that she loved Paul and Chris in a way she could never love him. Imagine how you would feel if your wife loved her own brother more than you and you knew there was a sexual feeling there too. She taunted him about the other 2. While I dont condone the violence that he committed, he did it out of frustration because she couldnt or wouldnt love him the way he wanted. Bart...he did love Corrinne and Cathy both. His main attraction to Cathy was her resemblance to his wife and she played on this tremendously knowing this was the way to his heart. Yes, I dont doubt that her money played a big part but I dont doubt that he would have loved her anyway. As for your quote, it says nothing about I dont want you or the baby so get out of my life. A little further down the same page I qoute 'I love you. God help me but I do. I want you near me always, and I want my child too.' It was just anger because she had trapped him and made him choose between her and his wife. And also a bit of fear cos he knew the affair would come to light and he didnt want Corrinne to find out. If he didnt love her he wouldnt have bothered. Even after that he stayed with Corrinne but said at the party (when he found out what Corrinne had done) that he would stay with Cathy. I think if Corrinne hadnt have been confronted and ended up in the institution then he would have spent most of life flitting between the two.
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